It doesnt mean anything. It was pretty much a niche round til Dirty Harry. All with hard cast bullets. Heres a look at the eight best charge-stopping bear cartridges ever made. The 10mm is also coming into popularity because of capacity. That might be the reason. here is one of the links I had bookmarked; http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm . If you do encounter one, though, remember these tips: It is important to note that even if a 44 Magnum round does stop a bear in its tracks, there is still a chance that it could come back after being shot. In the event that I need to get off a second shot at a charging grizzly bear, I want a pistol I can handle comfortably, re-acquire a sight picture, and get off an accurate shot in the quickest possible time. Seems that the bleeding hearts in the state in which he resides view the rights of wild animals and violent sociopaths as superior to those of regular folks. Thats a cool chest rig. I can't imagine anyone feeling comfortable packing a .44 mag. But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life? Far more important, in my book, is the ability to draw and accurately fire your bear defense weapon in a very short period of time. Youre not. Are you melting snowflake? I know a guy who emptied his 9mm into a Black Bearkilled it well enough. A sold core flat nose bullet has a better chance of penetrating a grizzly bears heavy skin, thick coat, and large bones than a hollow point that is designed to expand as rapidly as possible. .600 Nitro Express (900gr Kynoch solid at 2,000fps)(7992 ft lbs): 159.4, *** .378 Weatherby Magnum (300gr FMJ at 2,925fps)(4,263 ft lbs): 47.0 It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear. Scotty, or Cisco or whatever his current intertube name is; I believe may be afflicted with the same disability as my unfortunate nephew. Hes seen a large grizzly remain upright and functional for 90 seconds to 2 minutes after taking a fatal chest shot. Sad! 44 Magnum ammo should do the trick though! I WAS STILL PRETTY DANGEROUS WHEN WOUNDED AND SAME APPLIES TO BEAR. And as I said at the git-go, a hell of a lot of hunters have been mauled by grizzlies after they shot them. Even us mortal men can keep at it after being shot many times with small rounds, let alone a grizzly.. Not a 12 guage with 00 buck at close range, in the face. I dont even know if Hank The Anonymous was insulting me, or how, or about what, because Hank cannot use words. Any large caliber pistol is going to deliver often punishing recoil. Then you have to get on target which is easier with a shorter, lighter gun. But energy doesn't kill animals, tissue damage kills them. I heard that bear was a friend of Cecil the lion. While it is extremely effective, the main reason its been so widely-used is because shotguns like the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are a fraction of the price of bolt-guns and, in turn, thats what the government has provided to its employees. Be prepared to take down more than one bear if necessary. The second time it was dead calm, but it sure wasnt a 16ft spray. The Griz, as he is often called, is actually the North American Brown Bear. DO NOT SEE THE MTN LIONS MUCH BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE AS SEE THE TRACKS AND A GLANCE OUT THE WINDOW ONCE IN A WHILE. It is loaded with the best bear ammo that their internet research recommends. He was able to stop the attack by shooting the bear as it charged at him. One thing Ive never called you is stupid. Now do what I did when I was wrong last week. Want to feel fear for the right reasons? What happened? 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. I had also noticed that your post of 13:49 was damned good. Redding Reloading Equipment has added a New 3-Die Set for the 300 HAMRa bottleneck cartridge based on a modified .223 Remington case necked up to 30-caliber. Down in the article a little ways Paco talks about his bear kill. My partner had never been Face To Face with a Bear before, but he did well (said he never heard a word I said) You just do what you have to do, thats all. Aim for the center of mass whenever possible in order to ensure a quick and clean kill. It is easy to see that the 44 Magnum is far from being the most powerful handgun in the world. Good placement and a heavy bullet at a decent speed. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Since then, I have switched to a GunfightersINC chest holster. SEPARATE FOOTNOTES WHICH ARE NOT A COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE: .44 Remington MagnumConsidered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry. The minimum caliber for black bear is .30-06 Springfield. Generally speaking, though, most 44 Magnum rounds should be able to stop a black bear or grizzly in its tracks. ======================================================================. A 5" S&W 629 .44 Magnum revolver being fired with full power ammo at the point of maximum recoil. I have fifteen articles on the Alaskan revolver in my archives, and i learned something from them all. However, if we are considering the average person on an outdoor adventure, we need to look at the best fit option. 1. As the bear charge drill in his course demonstrates, the average bear attack will happen at 50 yards or less with an 800-pound animal moving at 30 mph. They were attacked by a large grizzly bear . Can a 44 Magnum kill a bear? Your cigarettes. has killed its fair share of charging bears. Ive also bothered to read Weingartens stuff for years. As he fell, he bit at the ground and ended up with a mouthful of sod. No, they had whole *lot* of time to think about how to do it, holed up in a drafty, cold cave with *nothing* to do but listen to cave-wife bitch and cake-kids squabble. So, at this point 39.53% of my life. Modern bears remained top predators thanks to evolution weeding out the bears that dropped faster due to serious injury. 2) lots of bear attack stories lately. As soon as I rounded the corner I spotted a probably 900lb brown bear, not barely 20yds away. When it comes to defending yourself against a bear attack, theres no substitute for 44 mag ammo. Taylor KnockOutFactor: Contrary to Gun Writer Myth and continuing bullshit about the Philippine Insurrection (polite world for jack booted storm trooper war of rape, pillage and conquest) Jan Liborel found that there was absolutely nothing in the U.S. Military records that indicated the .38 Colts were any less effective than the later used 45 long Colt and little used .45 acp handguns used in the conflict. Nelson killed one of his charging grizzlies with a .454 Casull, which he says is one of his favorite choices for bear defense. Nelson continues to teach a bear defense course in Alaska, instructing geologists and representatives from other government agencies how to operate a wide variety of firearms platforms in a bear defense situation. . They know theyre probably going to wind up underneath any grizzly that charges, shot or not. Its similar to the one my cousin uses. The major reason is that they dont want to waste expensive ammo on the range. I saw a buckle with a strap running through it. The statistics lie with the .44 magnum as an effective handgun against a grizzly bear attack. The 44 magnum is no exception. I am a fan of the .38 but grizz country aint the place for it. Smith & Wesson Model 629. What did work was the short barrel shotgun. The heaviest I have found without casting my own is 265 gr. Scotty reminds me of an autistic. Do you actually think that you impress anyone by imitating other men? Why the Alaskan was designed as a snubbie? So, your friend may have downed a black bear with his 9, I dont think I would bet my life on one. Hes read some books so hes an expert. Alaskan Grizzly Bear Attack Demonstrates Effectiveness of .44 Magnum, How to Horrify the Mainstream Media in One Easy Step, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/7/6/handguns-for-defense-in-bear-country/, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140415-black-bear-florida-attack-habitat-wildlife-conservation/, http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm, https://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c430-310-rf.html. Show me on the doll where the handgun touched you. The Ruger Red Hawk Alaskan owned by a friend who regularly hunts in Montana is his bear defense weapon. Biologically, grizzly bears are omnivores and will eat almost anything they come across. I was born and raised there. Assumption. I DO GET THAT:) I think akgunner wrote a comment below the article which is more helpful than the article itself. Any dolls at all? will make it easy to kill black bears. He or she could have one of the following, a 44 or larger with at least 300 grain flat nose, or a 12 guage shorty with 00 buck or a Brennicke slug. A charging grizzly bear can reach speeds of 35 mph an hour for short distances and their acceleration rate is phenomenal. NAM TAUGHT ME SH#T, SHOWER, SHAVE, SLEEP WITH WEAPON. Personally, multiple rounds at close range with 00 buck will rip your fucking eyeballs out, no matter what you are. The 9mm can kill bears but is considered underpowered by experienced woodsmen. Woot! Scopes, guns, boots and other tactical stuff in-between. For many backwoods trekkers, hunters, and homesteaders the 44 mag is the mainstay of their bear defense. His raging confrontational writing style that relies upon fabricated facts, is so close to his that I wouldnt be surprised if it was revealed that he indeed is actually my nephew. Some might think about these matters a bit more, so I also wrote some footnotes down below. However, as far as stopping power on even the largest grizzly bear, it delivers enough energy to get the job done. How many people were attacked by humans in the last 40 years? People must do that. I could not figure out how it held the gun in place, so I grabbed the buckle and attempted to rip it off. ALL ANIMALS UNPREDICTABLE, BEEN BUCKED OFF FOR NO APPARENT REASON BY MY USUALLY DOCILE AND FAITHFUL PINTO SEVERAL TIMES AND BITTEN BY MY SCOUT DOG IN NAM ONCE ON AMBUSH WHO REDEEMED HIMSELF BY SAVING MY LIFE THE NEXT AMBUSH. Holy shit you have some serious issues. All of your comments are irrelevant. The Glock 20 chambered in 10mm has become a popular carry choice in bear country. Center Mass hits can disrupt the circulatory system, but science has proven that enough blood remains in a humans system that they can continue to act for up to about 10 seconds. When youre out in the wild, its important to be prepared for anything. So dont lecture other people about losing an attitude, make more of an effort, like I did, and youll get the facts, like I did. You have entered an incorrect email address! That means having the right gear, and knowing how to use it. Tyler Freel A 12 gauge's effectiveness can vary tremendously based on the ammunition used. I do have one. There is no definitive answer to this question as different bears will respond differently to various types of bullets. This is the end of my comment. Lets face it. As a wildcat cartridge, it hasnt seen the widespread use of other rounds on this list, but that hasnt stopped many guides and hunters, Nelson included, from converting Marlin lever guns for its very effective use. Unless and until you provide evidence to support the claim, thats all it is; a claim. The accurate answer is "it depends". The black bear is the only animal in the continental U.S. that can provide the average hunter a reasonably accessible opportunity to hunt dangerous game - game with fangs and claws rather than horns and hooves. Some of them are like a fog. Again, Im not saying this because I necessarily disagree with you, Im saying it because it hurts your own cause. of energy from the muzzle. But they dont press that fear button like bears, do they? The larger the gun, and to some extent, the longer the barrel, the less felt recoil and muzzle flip you will experience. The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. Yes you do want a magnum. And sometimes folks can save themselves with a handgun. Ah I love the kind of hater you are, that you are so jealous of hand guns success even, though you deny you are jealous. The 44 magnum does deliver less energy on target than the other calibers in our comparison tables. Bear will win every time. I spray with mine regularly, even though I have to buy a lot more of it, both for practice and for making sure its as potent as can be. The mot popular cartridge used against bears in terms of this compilation was the .44 Magnum, which is often cited by internet and forum warriors as the absolute smallest you should go in bear defense. Considered by many to be the most versatile North American big-game cartridge, the .338 Win. . Spray products vary. .458 Winchester Magnum (500gr Hornady DGX at 2,140fps)(has 5083.36 ft lbs): 70.0 The article is not an argument against carrying a long gun, but a reason to carry a good back up as well. And you have no idea how much anybody here spends in Bear Country. But bears are all-natural and organic, and everybody knows that anything that is all-natural and organic is safe and good for your health, right? Yes Im sure youve read 12,000 books on bear attacks and subscribe to bear attack monthly while you work out to bear attack shows. the rifles were left outside the tents, but inside the protective alarm wire. Does anybody, anywhere, have any idea what Hank means? To my surprise, the buckle was actually a snap and the strap peeled away. Really the extra bullet is unlikely to matter either. of energy at 1550 fps, which is more than double that of the 10mm and four times more energy than the 9mm. However, most experts recommend using a bullet with a grain weight of at least 300 in order to ensure the greatest chance of success in stopping a bear. I found the account as I was searching for bear attacks where pistols had been used as a defensive measure. Aim is critical too and handguns just arent accurate, nor can they match a rifle let alone a a rifle that needs hard cast bullets for this job anyways. Great story. I prefer to carry a flat nose jacketed bullet. Doug shot the bear and stopped the attack. If we consider only delivered energy, the 44-magnum cartridge resides in the middle of the range that is considered adequate for a bear defense handgun. Thanks for visiting eatingthewild.com. Grizzly bears enter a state of hyperphagia in the fall, a condition that provokes gluttony in preparation for winter hibernation. 2. Its important to remember, however, that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet. Just try to accept the fact that handguns are the best and enjoy the show while it lasts because the rage that exists in you is going to be your demise. Youve all read how much ground a bear can cover in a few seconds..he kept his cool and did everything right once the holster fiasco was passed. I live in a small native village in bush Alaska. The Army even ranted against the 30-40 Krag as being ineffective. Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. It immediately blew enough of it back in my own face that had it been a defensive use, it would have made matters worse. I scanned the far shore to see if it was a nice one, maybe I would take it, I didnt see it, so I asked him where? Ruger just took a Super Redhawk and cut the barrel even with the frame extension. Nelson says after about 20 shots, his wrist starts to swell and he can no longer shoot. And they dont work well if you dont shake the cans from time to time, just like spray paint. My hope was that the shot would sting the bear and help scare him away along with the flame and loud report. At that distance, a shooter has roughly four seconds to make a charge-stopping shot, which requires a steady hand under intense pressure. Sure makes it shorter and lighter, easier to carry and draw. Even sleeping! Dean made a claim and provided evidence, then you made a claim and provided none, and when asked to provide evidence you refused and essentially said it was up to Dean to disprove your claim, which is not an intellectually honest way of aproaching a discussion. I DO NOT BELIEVE SPRAY THAT EFFECTIVE. 4. WHEN CLOSE TO HOUSE CHEST RIG WITH SHORT BARREL S/W .44 MAG OR SUPER RED HAWK .44 LONG BARREL. Ive watched, while working out, flossing, but never sittingI dont sit while I watch TVpretty much every documentary on bears ever shown, including the one on crazy, brave, brilliant, dead Timothy Treadwell.
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